RE: [Wg-rms] Stepping down from co-chair role

["Tim Jones" <tim@iseek.com.au>]

Hi Jas,

> I concede that it is low on their list of priorities
> to accept change. 

Everyone (well, most) accept change when it is necessary, but a lot of
people (two on this list so far and another couple at the member
meeting) would possibly argue that this particular forced change is not
high on their list of priorities right now. 

> 6) can't do private records. (don't see why my
> companies customers should be advertised just because
> I automate!)

I agree, and maybe the Secretariat could explain why private records
were introduced without modifying the tools they provide and train
members to use to update whois.

> > MyAPNIC is already there for those who are concerned
> > about security. I
> 
> MyAPNIC does NOT address any level of secure automated
> updates.

OK, my bad. I seem to remember four or five meetings ago a demonstration
(Sanjaya?) of a scripted MyAPNIC interface that was under
development/nearing completion. Any reason this has been abandoned when
from memory it provided pretty much everything this proposed new system
is going to provide?

> You are speaking for yourself right? 

Usual disclaimer, the opinions expressed here are my own and don't
necessarily reflect those of my employer.
 
> Furthermore.. the autodbm thing via email is not
> friendly.. even for well formed "objects". Have you
> used it? it sucks! I heard a rumour once that APNIC
> just adopted the RIPE stuff. This is an opportunity
> for the AP community to OWN the registry system..

I use auto-dbm indirectly most days through an IP management system, and
have in the past used it directly on many occasions.  

RIPE maintain the whois code and APNIC modify to suit objects in our
region. I don't see any compelling reason to spend APNIC member funds on
reinventing the wheel. 

I would rather see member funds used to complete MyAPNIC, with a
scripted interface for updating whois, and, a little off topic, please
please please the IPv4 request form finally integrated into MyAPNIC! :)


> I want tools.. APNIC should be building tools for us
> to integrate with our systems. That would make my life
> easier.. not having to find out that either
> 1) my email to autodbm didn't get there and "apnic
> technical" didn't see it hit their email servers
> 2) i got no responce, fail or otherwise
> 3) I got a response that
>      a) isn't documented.
>      b) can't be explained
>      c) is bypassed by the "hostmaster" and "forced"
> in.
> 4) have my spam appliance block email from the whois
> server as it isn't well formed.

Many good points Jas. I don't believe though that a new system providing
this functionality and auto-dbm need to be mutually exclusive.

Cheers,
Tim.