RE: [Wg-apnic-fees] Compare RIRs

[<makai@bb.softbank.co.jp>]

Hello,

I don't disagree about fee increase. 
I understood action items. I only want to know each cost that APNIC will need in the future. 
After that, we can judge the validity of 10%-15% increase total revenue.


>So RIPE and ARIN fees have been dropping from high to medium, and APNIC 
>fees may go up from low to medium.
Do you think really so?

RIPE/NCC increased their fees in 2002->2004.
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging.html
#Annual Service Fee
#(in EUR)        2002  2003  2004  2005  2006  
#Extra Small     -       -     2,000  1,750  1,500  
#Small          1,800  2,750  2,500  2,250  2,000  
#Medium       2,500  3,750  3,500  3,150  2,750  
#Large          3,400  5,250  5,000  4,750  4,250  
#Extra Large     -      -       6,750  6,500  5,750  
#Sign-up Fee  2,100  2,500  2,500  2,000  2,000  
#Admin Fee      -      -        1,250  1,250  1,000  

Highest fee is Extra Large in 2004.
#1 EUR=1.2768 USD(Rate of December 2004)
#6,750Euro=USD8,618.4 (Extra Large)
#2,500Euro=USD3,192 (Sign-up)
#1,250Euro=USD1,596 (Admin)
But, Total is ONLY USD13,406.4.

Let's see ARIN.
http://www.arin.net/billing/fee_schedule.html
#Size Category                Fee (US Dollars) Allocation Size 
#X-small/Micro-allocation  $1,250/year        /24 - < /20 
#Small                            $2,250/year        /20 - /19 
#Medium                         $4,500/year        > /19 - /16 
#Large                            $9,000/year        > /16 - /14 
#X-large                          $18,000/year       > /14 

Highest fee is X-Large.
Fee is ONLY USD18,000.

How about APNIC?
http://www.apnic.net/member/feesinfo.html
#Membership tier* Annual fee(US$) Amount of IPv4 address space
#Associate           $625                  None
#Very small         $1,250                Up to and including /22
#Small                $2,500                Greater than /22, up to and including /19
#Medium             $5,000                Greater than /19, up to and including /16
#Large                $10,000               Greater than /16, up to and including /13
#Very large         $20,000               Greater than /13, up to and including /10
#Extra large        $40,000               Greater than /10

Highest fee is Extra large.
Fee is USD40,000. It becomes 2 or 3 times fee of other RIR. 
and also every tiers are higher.

I think ARIN and RIPE/NCC fees have been low or medium, 
APNIC fees may go up from high to very-high.

Thank you for the explanation of the difference of the work contents of each RIR. 

> - APNIC provides multi-lingual support, through a system of regional 
> specialists; it provides frequent regional trainings throughout the 
> region; it sponsors research into resource allocation and 
> depletion; and 
> it sponsors open-source software tools development.  
> 
> - RIPE provides occasional regional trainings; and sponsors 
> open-source 
> software tools development.
> 
> - LACNIC provides occasional regional trainings; and sponsors other 
> associated networking conferences and events.
> 
> - AfriNIC provides occasional regional trainings; provides 
> multi-lingual 
> support; and sponsors open-source software tools development.
> 
> - ARIN has occasionally sponsored open-source software tools 
> development.

But I already told a story.
>I saw 5RIRs' financial report, I cannot find feature item in APNIC.
Especially, it is seen that neither training nor the travel expense are bulky in APNIC financial report.

Best regards,
-- 
akai


>       On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Randy Bush wrote:
>     > fwiwm ripe increased their fees a few years ago.
> 
> Yes, that's correct.
> 
> And then they had a period when everyone's fees were 
> calculated using a 
> crazy multi-variable formula which most of the members couldn't 
> understand.  And now they've rationalized it a bit.
> 
>                                 -Bill
> 
>