Re: [sig-ipv6] Re: 9/9/2004 IP6.INT Removal (Was: 9/9/2006 : ip6.intshutdown?)

[bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com]

	both ip6.arpa and ip6.int

--bill

> 
> P.S. Bill - the new initial IPv6 AAA at root for JP and KR are they to
> use ipv6.arpa?  Thanks.
> 
> /jim 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org 
> > [mailto:owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
> > bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:45 PM
> > To: Jeroen Massar
> > Cc: Anand Kumria; Rob Blokzijl; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; 
> > sig-ipv6@apnic.net; ipv6-wg@ripe.net
> > Subject: Re: [sig-ipv6] Re: 9/9/2004 IP6.INT Removal (Was: 
> > 9/9/2006 : ip6.int shutdown?)
> > 
> > 
> > 	whjile i applaud each and everyone who has expunged
> > 	all ip6.int from their lives, the fact of the matter is that
> > 	IETF fiat or no, there exist -many- systems that can only use
> > 	reverse maps in the ip6.int tree.   
> > 
> > 	it will be maintained as long as there are queries for 
> > 	it.  for those of you for whom ip6.int is a distant memory,
> > 	pleae understand and respect the fact that you can not, 
> > 	despite public posturing, force others to change their 
> > 	systems. to practically remove ip6.int incures real cost
> > 	in both time and cash.  in the US there is a term for what
> > 	the IETF is trying to do w/ ip6.int.  Its called an unfunded
> > 	mandate.  Unless or until the good folk in the IETF who are
> > 	calling for the removal of ip6.int are ready to put up the 
> > 	cash to effect real change, I wish they would stop.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 09:58, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On 2004-07-22, at 09.43, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But indeed, if there is concensus or not 9/9/2004 
> > and ip6.int 
> > > > > > > is gone for me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I vote for 9/9/2004 and getting rid of it properly. 
> > Maintaining 
> > > > > > two reverse threes will create more problems than it 
> > will solve.
> > > > 
> > > > What, specifically, is the hurry? 
> > > 
> > > That this has been overdue for three years already and that even 
> > > though the deprecation was marked in August 2001 some vendors still 
> > > not have done the change. And as it is a 
> > s/ip6.int/ip6.arpa/g which is 
> > > very easy, if vendors did not do that yet they are way 
> > overdue and you 
> > > got to wonder how much their interest is in keeping 
> > software upto date.
> > > 
> > > Basically we (at least me) have been waiting for the 6bone 
> > to get the 
> > > delegation so that we could remove the 2 trees and only keep one:
> > > ip6.arpa. This was decided by the IAB thus we should live up to it.
> > > 
> > > If we do not remove ip6.int then still implementations 
> > using it will 
> > > not show up. They have had 3 years already to update...
> > >  
> > > > > Take your pick:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > http://unfix.org/~jeroen/archive/drafts/draft-massar-v6ops-ip6int-
> > > > > removal-00.html 
> > > > > 
> > http://unfix.org/~jeroen/archive/drafts/draft-massar-v6ops-ip6int-
> > > > > removal-00.txt 
> > > > > 
> > http://unfix.org/~jeroen/archive/drafts/draft-massar-v6ops-ip6int-
> > > > > removal-00.xml
> > > > > 
> > > > > Short, quick and easy.
> > > > > If no comments are risen for 16:00 today I'll submit 
> > this as an ID.
> > > > 
> > > > Comments:
> > > > 	e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa was documented in RFC3681 published in February
> > > > 	2004 and actioned in July 2004.
> > > 
> > > Added, but note that this was all long overdue and there where a 
> > > number of other solutions that would have worked already 2 
> > years ago 
> > > if there had not been any of the political arguments 
> > holding back this 
> > > technical issue. Note also that 6bone will end per 6/6/6 
> > and that it is a TESTbed.
> > > The TESTbed is delaying and thus hurting the production networks in 
> > > this case.
> > > 
> > > > 	I'm assuming the actioning of e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa is the trigger
> > > > 	for this I-D; if so, why do you want to wait so little time (2
> > > > 	months) between e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa becoming available and
> > > > 	requiring people to have updated resolver libraries?
> > > 
> > > People should have updated their resolvers in the last *3 years*.
> > > If you have not done that already then you are not maintaining your 
> > > machines properly and there is a big chance that you have bigger 
> > > problems than a IPv6 reverse DNS that doesn't work anymore because 
> > > ip6.int is gone.
> > > 
> > > > 	Personally I'd be more in favour of a 6 month timeout - i.e
> > > > 	around last December or so.
> > > 
> > > Of course the date is up to discussion, but IMHO: ASAP and at least 
> > > before the end of the year, the sooner the better.
> > > 
> > > Note that Cisco's IOS updates will be done before that date and 
> > > Windows
> > > XP2 will come out in August (they say) thus everybody using 
> > IPv6 has 
> > > time enough to upgrade. All "free unix flavors" already support it
> > > 
> > > Also users agree: http://www.sixxs.net/forum/?msg=general-83948
> > > Note the begin date of that thread, we where really waiting 
> > for 6bone 
> > > just as being nice to the people still using it.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 10:57, Rob Blokzijl wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > > If no comments are risen for 16:00 today I'll submit 
> > this as an ID.
> > > > 
> > > >     two minor points. In the abstract and the 
> > introduction you write:
> > > >       
> > > >       RFC 3152 delegates IP6.ARPA for reverse IPv6 
> > delegations. For RIRs 
> > > >       (RIPE,ARIN,APNIC,LACNIC and soon AFNIC)
> > > > 
> > > >     Replace RIPE --> RIPE NCC
> > > 
> > > That I did that wrong is a major oops, I should by know the 
> > difference by now.
> > > 
> > > >     Replace AFNIC --> AFRINIC
> > > > 
> > > >       (AFNIC is the .fr registry :-) )
> > > 
> > > Also adjusted and added some xref's in the XML.
> > > 
> > > Old version is now draft-massar-v6ops-ip6int-removal-00.a 
> > new version 
> > > carries the draft-massar-v6ops-ip6int-removal-00 name.
> > > 
> > > Greets,
> > >  Jeroen
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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