[sig-db] minutes of the APNIC23 DB-SIG

[Xing Li <xing@cernet.edu.cn>]

Dear All,

Thank you very much for your support of the APNIC DB-SIG. Please find
the meeting minutes of the DB-SIG of APNIC23.

In addition, there are two things I would like to inform you.

(1) We are thinking to broad the scope of the DB-SIG possibly including
resource, management, incident information exchange and searching.
Please do send your comments and suggestions to the mailing-list
(sig-db@apnic.net).
(2) We will have a new co-chair, Ching-Heng Ku from TWNIC, please
welcome him.

Best regards,

Xing Li
Chair of APNIC DB-SIG

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23rd APNIC Open Policy Meeting
SIG: DB
Wednesday 28 February 2007, Bali International Convention Centre, Nusa
Dua, Indonesia
Minutes

Meeting commenced: 4:00 pm
Chair: Xing Li
The Chair introduced the SIG and explained the agenda.
Presentations
1. New features in the RIPE Database
Andrei Robachevsky, RIPE NCC
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
This presentation described the new features added in the RIPE Database,
noting that APNIC also uses the RIPE code. One of the main developments
was the deprecation of CRYPT-PW as part of an ongoing effort to make the
database more secure. The other developments included DNS provisioning
system, IRT object, 32-bit ASN support, and the new org type "OTHER".

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- The impact on APNIC from these changes was explained. APNIC has
implemented the 32-bit ASN update. The deprecation of CRYPT-PW has not
been done as it would need discussion in the APNIC community first. The
IRT object has not received much interest in this region so there is
currently no push to implement the change. It was noted that the IRT
object raises more coordination issues than technical ones

2. Whois privacy update from JPNIC
Izumi Okutani, JPNIC
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
This presentation described JPNIC's practice of protecting private data
in whois. There is a small but growing number of assignments greater
than /29 for residential networks in Japan, which has raised the need
for privacy protection. JPNIC sought to protect privacy in a way
consistent with the function of whois. JPNIC's solution is to hide the
postal code and address and the email address used to make the last
change, although this is maintained in JPNIC's records. JPNIC also
allows role contacts to be registered as admin and technical contacts.
The presenter also suggested that in the future, all detail could be
hidden except the network range and contact addresses.

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- None.

3. Providing a subset of the whois data via DNS
Ms Shuang Zhu, CERNET
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
This presentation described an idea for providing a subset of whois via
DNS, to overcome the problem of determining the AS origin of IP
addresses. The presenter noted that IRRs are not effective at solving
this problem as many ISPs do not use or update the IRR databases and
non-RIR databases have no effective checks and therefore no guarantee of
accuracy. The presenter provided an example of how DNS could be used to
easily and accurately publish the AS origin of their routes.

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- It was noted that Team Cymru maintains a server designed to do an AS
to IP lookup. It has some accuracy issues due to the source of its data,
but it may provide some help in solving the same problems.
- It was noted that this presentation is a great idea for redundancy but
that the delay of updating may cause some problems. However, it was
noted that the use of local text records should mean that there are no
delays. It was confirmed that this is intended to be used in addition to
the IRRs.
- It was noted that this idea is derived from the route view project
from the University of Oregon.

4. MyAPNIC new features
Sanjaya, APNIC
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
This presentation outlined the recent developments of MyAPNIC, APNIC's
secure web portal for resource and account management. The new features
include sorting of resource information, IPv6 assignments, 4-byte ASNs,
opt-out tools for APNIC announcements, voting contacts, 12 month billing
history, and the ability to view and print invoices. There is now also
the ability to do real time updates to whois. There is a new feature
allowing prefix history reports .

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- None.

5. A brief review and possible future directions
Xing Li, CERNET
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
This Chair outlined the history of the DB SIG began, including a
breakdown of the different types of presentations that have been given.
He noted that it is can be quite hard to attract presentations for this
SIG. The Chair noted that security and privacy have been the major issue
discussed. He also noted that Dr Hakikur has resigned as co-chair. He
called for nominations as chair and co-chair.

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- Ching-Heng Ku from TWNIC volunteered to be the co-chair.
- There was a suggestion to review of the charter of the DB SIG. It was
suggested to broaden the definition of the database, to include other
whois databases.
- There was also a suggestion to consider whether the DB SIG content
could be broken up and streamed into some of the other SIGs and APOPS.
- There was a question as to where certification issues should be discussed.
- There was a suggestion of rechartering this SIG to focus on security
or resource management.
6. Draft SIG guidelines
Xing Li, CERNET
Presentation [pdf | ppt]
The Chair noted the draft SIG guidelines document, which has been
created to provide better guidance to Chairs on how to conduct a SIG. He
urged all participants to read the document.

For full details, please refer to the presentation.

Questions and discussion
- None.

Meeting closed: 5:15 pm
Minuted by: Gerard Ross

Open action items
- None.